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RealtyCast Global #14 Exploring Real Estate investment opportunities in Central America with Michael Cobb

RealtyCast Global #14: Exploring Real Estate Investment Opportunities in Central America with Michael Cobb

Welcome to episode #14 of RealtyCast Global – a global connection to all things real estate, hosted by Hugh Gilliam, president of Global Property Pros.

In the latest episode of RealtyCast Global, we explore the multifaceted landscape of real estate investment in Central America. With a keen focus on perception and knowledge, the episode delves into strategies that can help investors unlock lucrative opportunities in this dynamic region. From contrasting property values in Costa Rica and Nicaragua to highlighting Belize’s burgeoning market, the episode is packed with valuable insights for anyone considering a real estate investment in Central America.

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The episode kicks off with a critical discussion on the concept of “buyer beware,” emphasizing the importance of being well-informed before making any property purchases. Drawing from the Overseas Investment Guide, the hosts discuss how perception often dictates property prices more than actual safety or quality. For instance, despite similar crime statistics, properties in Costa Rica are significantly more expensive than those in Nicaragua, largely due to perception. The discussion underscores the importance of understanding these perception gaps and staying ahead of changing perceptions to capitalize on the best opportunities.

Next, the episode shifts focus to investment strategies in popular versus less popular locations within Central America. The hosts compare the immediate costs and long-term returns of investing in high-demand areas like Costa Rica with those of under-the-radar spots like Nicaragua. They highlight Belize, particularly Ambergris Caye, as a balanced investment option with promising growth potential. The Best Western Studio Condos in Belize are cited as a prime example of a mid-range product that caters to mainstream travelers, offering consistent cash flow and practical investment opportunities.

The episode also explores the robust healthcare and educational systems that make Central America an attractive destination for families and remote workers. The hosts share personal experiences of accessing seamless and efficient medical care in the region, noting the ease and affordability compared to other regions. They also discuss the various schooling options available, including international, bilingual, and homeschooling, which provide flexibility and quality education for expatriate families.

A deep dive into the transcript of the ‘Global Real Estate Investing and Perception’ chapter reveals the intricate details of how perception influences property values. The hosts discuss a survey by the Zogby company, which found that only 11.6% of US citizens had seriously considered owning property overseas. This highlights the significant perception gap that exists even among well-traveled Americans. They use the example of property prices on either side of the Costa Rica-Nicaragua border to illustrate how perception drives price differences, despite similar crime statistics and other factors.

The ‘Investment Strategies in Central America’ chapter provides a nuanced comparison of acquiring assets in popular versus less popular locations. The hosts use simple numerical examples to explain how lower acquisition costs in less popular areas like Nicaragua can lead to higher long-term returns, provided the investor is patient and willing to take on some risk. They also emphasize the potential of Belize, particularly Ambergris Caye, as a balanced investment option that offers both reasonable acquisition prices and promising growth potential.

Finally, the ‘Accessing Healthcare and Education Abroad’ chapter reassures potential investors and expatriates about the quality of life in Central America. The hosts discuss the ease of accessing medical care without bureaucratic hassles and at a fraction of the cost compared to other regions. They also explore educational opportunities, highlighting the flexibility and quality of schooling options available for expatriate families. This segment aims to alleviate concerns for tech-savvy parents working remotely, making the move to Central America less daunting and more feasible.

In summary, this episode of RealtyCast Global provides a comprehensive guide to maximizing property investments in Central America. By focusing on perception and knowledge, the hosts equip listeners with the tools needed to make informed decisions and capitalize on hidden opportunities in this vibrant region. Whether you’re contemplating a move or seeking to diversify your investment portfolio, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in Central American real estate.

For more information on living and investing in Belize, check out Michael’s Overseas Investment Guide (click here to download the guide).


For real estate agents looking to expand their business internationally, expose existing listings to a global pool of buyers, and connect with new clients, check out Global Property Pros.

For Property Buyers & Sellers seeking assistance in the international market, check out RealtyHive’s property marketing solutions.

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About the Guest – Michael Cobb:

At the height of a successful career in the computer industry, Mr. Cobb left to pursue more pioneering opportunities in the emerging real estate markets of Central America.  In 1996, he and his business partner formed a company, Exotic Caye International, to provide loans to North Americans purchasing properties in Belize, Honduras and throughout the region.  As the need for capital outstripped the supply, the mortgage company was converted to an international bank under the jurisdiction of Belize.  It continues to provide mortgage services but has expanded its services to encompass the full realm of financial products. 
 
Mr. Cobb also saw the need for a regional real estate company that would serve the Baby Boomer consumer with a North American standard product for the next 2 decades.  He led the group into real estate development and created a holding company for several properties including a resort on Ambergris Caye, Belize. In August of 2000, Exotic Caye purchased 3.5 miles of Pacific Beachfront property due west of Managua, Nicaragua. 

This master planned community hosts world class infrastructure, homes and condominium units.  In February of 2006, the ECI Development group acquired 1100 acres and 3km of coastline in Costa Rica, setting the stage for expansion into this popular market.  Most recently they merged their Belize property with a much larger parcel and have begun to develop 200 condominiums units on Ambergris Caye, Belize
 
Additionally, Mike Cobb has spoken at hundreds of international conferences about real estate financing and development.  He has acted as a consultant to The Oxford Club and gives counsel to various real estate projects throughout Central America.

Website: ecidevelopment.com

Phone: +1.703.795.2555

Email: mcobb@ECIdevelopment.com

About the host – Hugh Gilliam:

Hugh Gilliam co-owned a national transportation company, created a land development business, and worked as a general contractor in residential and commercial construction for over two decades. Hugh also co-founded an international distribution company and successfully negotiated and contracted with 135 sales representatives in the United States, Canada, France, Brazil, Japan, and the Netherlands.

Today, Mr. Gilliam is affiliated with RealtyHive, LLC where he serves as Director of International Real Estate and President of Global Property Pros. His duties include involvement in commercial and residential transactions, plus promoting marketing systems and lead generation platforms.

He is also co-founder of the luxury digital magazine, DOORWAYS INTERNATIONAL, powered by RealtyHive, which serves as a platform for Brokers and Buyers throughout 70 countries.

Hugh’s Designations Include:

  • Certified Luxury Home Marketing Specialist
  • Certified Distressed Property Export
  • Certified International Property Specialist
  • Certified International Investment & Immigration Specialist
  • Transnational Referral Certification

Hugh’s Memberships Include:

  • Georgia Association of REALTORS
  • National Association of REALTORS
  • International Real Estate Federation (FIABCI-USA)
  • Asian Real Estate Association of America
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RealtyCast Global #10: Navigating Expat Life and Real Estate Investing in Belize with Michael Cobb

Welcome to episode #10 of RealtyCast Global – a global connection to all things real estate, hosted by Hugh Gilliam, president of Global Property Pros.

Belize, often referred to as Mother Nature’s best-kept secret, is quickly becoming one of the most intriguing destinations for global investors and expatriates seeking a slice of paradise combined with a sound investment. This tiny Central American nation, with its diverse landscapes ranging from pristine beaches to lush rainforests, offers a wealth of opportunities for those looking to diversify their portfolio or embark on a new chapter in their lives.

Michael Cobb, CEO of ECI Development, joins us again to provide an insightful look into the burgeoning real estate market in Belize. As a seasoned investor who witnessed Belize’s evolution from a hidden gem to a burgeoning tourist and investment destination, Michael shares valuable perspectives on the potential that Belize holds.

During the episode, we explore how the transformation of Belize’s real estate market parallels the country’s own journey from a British colony to an independent nation with English as its official language. The unique combination of a stable government, common-law legal system, and low property taxes makes Belize an attractive option for investors, particularly when compared to other Caribbean and Central American nations.

The conversation delves into the intricate tapestry of life as an expatriate in Belize. With anecdotes about living on Ambergris Caye and the contrast between expat life in Belize and Nicaragua, the discussion emphasizes the importance of finding a destination that fits one’s lifestyle preferences. Whether one is seeking a serene beachfront haven or an adventurous jungle retreat, Belize offers an array of environments to suit a variety of tastes.

A key focus of the episode is on the growing trend of digital nomads and pre-retirees looking for an idyllic setting to work remotely or enjoy an early retirement. Belize, with its ease of communication for English speakers and the rise of remote working, is an ideal locale for this demographic. It is particularly appealing for those in their 50s and 60s who are not quite ready to retire but eager to enjoy a more relaxed pace of life while still remaining productive.

Real estate investment in Belize, especially in areas like Ambergris Caye, is underscored as a lucrative venture due to the island’s popularity with tourists. The discussion covers the value of investing in branded properties and the increasing trend of visitors converting their short-term stays into long-term residences, thanks to the welcoming digital nomad visa programs.

Furthermore, the episode touches on the role of cruise ships in catapulting Belize onto the global tourism stage. Despite initial resistance from local hoteliers, the influx of cruise ship visitors has resulted in increased visibility for Belize, leading to a higher demand for accommodations and bolstering the country’s popularity among international travelers.

Throughout the conversation, Michael Cobb offers strategic insights into the current ‘sweet spot’ of Belize’s development curve, highlighting the optimal timing for investment before the market peaks. He explains the correlation between the country’s growing popularity and the potential for high occupancy rates and attractive average daily rates for rental properties.

In essence, the podcast episode paints a picture of Belize as a country ripe with opportunity, both for individuals seeking a change in lifestyle and for investors ready to capitalize on the burgeoning real estate market. With its combination of natural beauty, strategic location, and favorable investment conditions, Belize stands out as a destination with profitable horizons for those willing to take the plunge into its real estate adventure.

For more information on living and investing in Belize, check out Michael’s Consumer Resource Guide (click here to download the guide).


For real estate agents looking to expand their business internationally, expose existing listings to a global pool of buyers, and connect with new clients, check out Global Property Pros.

For Property Buyers & Sellers seeking assistance in the international market, check out RealtyHive’s property marketing solutions.

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About the Guest – Michael Cobb:

At the height of a successful career in the computer industry, Mr. Cobb left to pursue more pioneering opportunities in the emerging real estate markets of Central America.  In 1996, he and his business partner formed a company, Exotic Caye International, to provide loans to North Americans purchasing properties in Belize, Honduras and throughout the region.  As the need for capital outstripped the supply, the mortgage company was converted to an international bank under the jurisdiction of Belize.  It continues to provide mortgage services but has expanded its services to encompass the full realm of financial products. 
 
Mr. Cobb also saw the need for a regional real estate company that would serve the Baby Boomer consumer with a North American standard product for the next 2 decades.  He led the group into real estate development and created a holding company for several properties including a resort on Ambergris Caye, Belize. In August of 2000, Exotic Caye purchased 3.5 miles of Pacific Beachfront property due west of Managua, Nicaragua. 

This master planned community hosts world class infrastructure, homes and condominium units.  In February of 2006, the ECI Development group acquired 1100 acres and 3km of coastline in Costa Rica, setting the stage for expansion into this popular market.  Most recently they merged their Belize property with a much larger parcel and have begun to develop 200 condominiums units on Ambergris Caye, Belize
 
Additionally, Mike Cobb has spoken at hundreds of international conferences about real estate financing and development.  He has acted as a consultant to The Oxford Club and gives counsel to various real estate projects throughout Central America.

Website: ecidevelopment.com

Phone: +1.703.795.2555

Email: mcobb@ECIdevelopment.com

About the host – Hugh Gilliam:

Hugh Gilliam co-owned a national transportation company, created a land development business, and worked as a general contractor in residential and commercial construction for over two decades. Hugh also co-founded an international distribution company and successfully negotiated and contracted with 135 sales representatives in the United States, Canada, France, Brazil, Japan, and the Netherlands.

Today, Mr. Gilliam is affiliated with RealtyHive, LLC where he serves as Director of International Real Estate and President of Global Property Pros. His duties include involvement in commercial and residential transactions, plus promoting marketing systems and lead generation platforms.

He is also co-founder of the luxury digital magazine, DOORWAYS INTERNATIONAL, powered by RealtyHive, which serves as a platform for Brokers and Buyers throughout 70 countries.

Hugh’s Designations Include:

  • Certified Luxury Home Marketing Specialist
  • Certified Distressed Property Export
  • Certified International Property Specialist
  • Certified International Investment & Immigration Specialist
  • Transnational Referral Certification

Hugh’s Memberships Include:

  • Georgia Association of REALTORS
  • National Association of REALTORS
  • International Real Estate Federation (FIABCI-USA)
  • Asian Real Estate Association of America
RealtyCast Global #7 Demystifying US Immigration Laws & Purchasing Real Estate with Karen Weinstock

RealtyCast Global #7: Demystifying US Immigration Laws & Purchasing Real Estate with Karen Weinstock

Welcome to episode #7 of RealtyCast Global – a global connection to all things real estate, hosted by Hugh Gilliam, president of Global Property Pros.

The Immigration Nationality Act of 1952 stands as an archaic law in dire need of revision to accommodate the current workforce realities. In the latest episode of RealtyCast Global, Karen Weinstock, the managing attorney of Weinstock Immigration Lawyers, spotlights the urgent necessity for an overhaul of this antiquated legislation on US immigration. An immigrant herself, Karen brings her personal insights to the fore, outlining the law’s inconsistencies and the pressing demand for reform.

In a captivating twist, the conversation explores the labyrinth of foreign nationals acquiring property in the United States. Debunking common misconceptions, we delve into the constraints non-US citizens face when attempting to procure a mortgage and gain employment in the US. Karen underscores the significance of an active business investment for securing an investor visa, shattering the myth that mere real estate purchase suffices.

Weinstock Immigration Lawyers have assisted numerous Fortune 500 and publicly traded companies to secure global talent and ensure a seamless transition for foreign employees and their families. Karen’s unique blend of professional expertise and personal immigration experience equips her to guide clients through the intricate US immigration system.

The dialogue extends into the realm of immigration objectives specific to foreign nationals involved in real estate. A captivating success story reveals how these objectives can be achieved despite the hurdles imposed by the immigration quota system. The account of a Canadian real estate investor securing an investor visa, with Karen’s expert guidance, serves as a compelling example of the achievable possibilities.

Despite the current immigration quota system, which still harks back to the outdated provisions of the Immigration Nationality Act of 1952, it is possible for foreign nationals to successfully navigate the US immigration and real estate landscapes. Through proactive investment in active businesses and proper understanding of the immigration laws, foreign nationals can achieve their American dreams.

Karen’s deep understanding of the US immigration system and her commitment to her clients are evident in her success stories. Her dedication and drive to facilitate positive immigration experiences for her clients make her a respected figure in the legal and business communities across the country.

Whether you’re a foreign national looking to invest in US property, a company seeking to bring foreign talent into the US, or simply interested in understanding the complex world of US immigration, this episode offers invaluable insights. It underscores the importance of seeking expert advice when navigating the multifaceted terrain of US immigration and its impact on the real estate industry.

The world of US immigration may be intricate, but with the right guidance and understanding, it is not an insurmountable challenge. Tune into this episode of RealtyCast Global to gain an enlightening understanding of US immigration and its impact on the real estate industry, as shared by one of America’s leading immigration attorneys, Karen Weinstock.


Make sure to listen to other episodes of RealtyCast Global.

For real estate agents looking to expand their business internationally, expose existing listings to a global pool of buyers, and connect with new clients, check out Global Property Pros.

For Property Buyers & Sellers seeking assistance in the international market, check out RealtyHive’s property marketing solutions.

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About the guest – Karen Weinstock:

Karen is the Managing Attorney of Weinstock Immigration Lawyers, one of the best immigration law firms in Atlanta, Georgia. With over two decades of experience, she has substantial expertise representing U.S. and international companies to secure global talent and ensure a successful transition for foreign employees and their families.

Karen has represented Fortune 500 and publicly traded companies in both the U.S. and abroad. She has helped many European, Asian, and Latin American enterprises and international investors achieve their American Dream.

Born and raised in Israel, Karen immigrated to the United States in 2000. Karen’s compassion for clients and commitment to excellence distinguishes her as one of the best immigration attorneys in the nation. Legal and business communities across the country regard Karen as a true leader in immigration and a role model among women entrepreneurs.

Karen’s website: https://visa-pros.com/

Connect with Karen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenweinstock/

Contact Karen for a free case evaluation: (770) 604-1603

About the host – Hugh Gilliam:

Hugh Gilliam co-owned a national transportation company, created a land development business, and worked as a general contractor in residential and commercial construction for over two decades. Hugh also co-founded an international distribution company and successfully negotiated and contracted with 135 sales representatives in the United States, Canada, France, Brazil, Japan, and the Netherlands.

Today, Mr. Gilliam is affiliated with RealtyHive, LLC where he serves as Director of International Real Estate and President of Global Property Pros. His duties include involvement in commercial and residential transactions, plus promoting marketing systems and lead generation platforms.

He is also co-founder of the luxury digital magazine, DOORWAYS INTERNATIONAL, powered by RealtyHive, which serves as a platform for Brokers and Buyers throughout 70 countries.

Hugh’s Designations Include:

  • Certified Luxury Home Marketing Specialist
  • Certified Distressed Property Export
  • Certified International Property Specialist
  • Certified International Investment & Immigration Specialist
  • Transnational Referral Certification

Hugh’s Memberships Include:

  • Georgia Association of REALTORS
  • National Association of REALTORS
  • International Real Estate Federation (FIABCI-USA)
  • Asian Real Estate Association of America

Real Estate Investing Resources

When it comes to real estate investing, are you:

a. A complete novice who wants to get started but doesn’t know where to begin
b. A rookie who’s getting ready to buy their first investment property
c. An investment property owner who wants to grow their wealth even more
d. A seasoned vet who thinks they know it all

No matter what you answered, we guarantee this blog will help you on your property investing journey. Here’s a list of real estate investment resources to help any investor stay up to date.

YouTube Channels

Did you know that in 2019, YouTube was the most visited site on the Internet? Most people won’t be surprised by that stat, but it just goes to show how YouTube has evolved from a place of viral videos to a truly resourceful tool. Here are some of the best YouTube channels to help your real estate portfolio:

Graham Stephan

“Here’s my story of skipping college, pursuing [sic] real estate sales at 18 years old, and becoming a millionaire by the time I turned 26.” Graham Stephan’s YouTube bio says it all. While Stephan diverts his attention from real estate investing to millennials (and lots of avocado toast mentions, for whatever reason) to other financial topics from time to time, his transparency as a whole is inspiring and insightful.

Mark Ferguson

A true flip king (often balancing 15-20 property flips at a time), Mark Ferguson documents every part of his real estate investment process. Ferguson shows before and after footage, spreadsheets and other financial info, and even whether a property was ultimately worth it. 

BiggerPockets

As one BP fan writes, “BiggerPockets forum is the single greatest resource for real estate investors.” While BP also has a blog, forum, website, and podcast, their YouTube channel is perhaps a perfect compilation of each resource.

HONORABLE MENTIONS

  • Meet Kevin
  • Flipping Mastery TV
  • Max Maxwell
  • The Financial Diet (not real estate, but an excellent financial video channel)

Podcasts

Put these on during your commute, take a walk and plug in your earphones, or even just make cleaning the house a little more interesting with a good real estate investing podcast. Many of the channels listed (and sites below) also have their own podcast, but here are some lesser-known podcasts to check out.

Apartment Building Investing With Michael Blank

On top of writing for BiggerPockets, Michael Blank’s podcast has unique perspectives regarding multifamily complexes. Blank dives deep on this somewhat niche form of property investing through conversations and intriguing interviews.

The Real Estate Guys

One of iTunes’ most popular podcasts, the Real Estate Guys were once a radio show and got their start in 1997. Fast-paced and fun, you won’t start snoozing with this podcast.

Rental Rookie

Teacher-turned-investor Emily Du Plessis explains how she finessed her transition into property investing. But with more than 160 episodes as of January, 2020, this podcast title is a misnomer — Du Plessis certainly knows her stuff. This is a great podcast in general, but the fact that it’s run by a teacher means you know you’ll learn a ton.

Blogs, Sites, & Forums

REtipster

REtipster stands apart from many other blogs because it gives a lot of attention to land sales and how to sell land. Blogs, podcasts, reviews, and interviews make this an extraordinarily comprehensive site.

Afford Anything

Afford Anything tells a fascinating story of a woman, Paula, who has done it all in the pursuit of financial freedom. Paula has a podcast, a blog, a consulting service, and even a course to help investors get on their feet. Even if you’re just learning about how she scraped up $25k on a $21k salary, you’re bound to be captivated by her story.

Connected Investors

Connected Investors is almost like the Reddit of property investing. You can find topics to read up on or contribute to, or even start your own. Plus, these forums are a great way for people to network, which can absolutely help you grow your portfolio.

RealtyHive

Countless cruise through Zillow, Trulia, Realtor.com and the like. What many people don’t realize is that RealtyHive is an untapped source of potential. 

We are an exclusive resource for learning about purchasing property through time-limited events, our blog is a resource for real estate buyers and sellers, and we feature listings that other sites might not show. We know that knowledge is power, and we’re more than happy to share our knowledge with you!

International Vacation Homeownership Options

Want to own an international vacation property? Better question: who doesn’t?! The great thing about vacation properties is that they not only provide you a home base for traveling but that you can even rent them out and make money. See the options for owning a beautiful bungalow in Belize or a quaint cottage in Canada—and benefit in the process.

RealQuick: Types of Vacation Homes

“Timeshare” is usually the word that pops into people’s heads when thinking about vacation homes, but there are plenty of other options. 

Cabins, beach houses, apartments, condos, and even hotel suites at resorts all are vacation homes. Virtually any type of property can be turned into a vacation home! And what’s more, these vacation home options are different than timeshares because you get to make the rules.

What to Do With Your Vacation Home

You can use your vacation home in three main ways: keep it just for yourself, rent it out yourself (such as through Airbnb or VRBO), or hire a third party to manage and rent it.

Keep It for Yourself

A lot of people get a vacation home (such as a cabin or lake house) and keep it as a standalone. They only use the property for their vacation purposes or perhaps allow family and friends to use it.

The Benefits:

  • Have a place to escape to.
  • Avoid paying for or finding accommodations while traveling.
  • It’s a financial asset.
  • The memories of spending repeated time in a vacation spot are priceless!

The Drawbacks:

By keeping it for yourself, the vacation property is only being used when you’re there. As is true with any property, it’s a significant investment. Some people also feel like they can’t travel elsewhere—they feel like they have to get their money’s worth. Not to mention, if you think owning one home is a lot of work, imagine owning two.

Rent It Out Yourself

Turning your vacation home into a vacation rental undoubtedly opens the door for additional revenue. With renting it out yourself, you are responsible for finding renters and managing the property.

The Benefits:

  • All the benefits of owning a vacation home, plus… 
  • Generates income off of a rental property.
  • Pays off the purchase over time.

The Drawbacks:

It’s a lot of work to rent out your place by yourself—many consider it a full-time job. It’s more convenient if you live near your vacation rental property, but nearly impossible if you don’t. You’ll have to do a solid job marketing it to ensure you’re getting your money’s worth. 

It should be added that if you don’t feel comfortable with others staying in your vacation home, this is not the option for you and that’s OK. Adding tons of stress for money won’t be worth it.

Rent It Through a Management Company

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Hiring a third party to manage and rent out your vacation rental eliminates a lot of hassle. With this option, a property management company takes over renting processes and also provides cleaning.

The Benefits:

  • All the benefits of owning and renting out a vacation home, plus…
  • Saves tons of time on cleaning and renting it out.
  • Makes it possible to own an investment property without having to live nearby.

The Drawbacks:

You’ll pay a fee for these services—it depends on location but some averages estimate 8-12% of the monthly value. Many who use management companies find it harder to use their vacation home themselves—at that point, they’re paying a fee and want the difference to be covered with extra renters.

Everyone has an option that works for them when it comes to owning a vacation property. But before you plan on laying poolside or start dreaming about what that added income will do for your finances, you need a vacation home! Look through RealtyHive to find your perfect property abroad.